One Horrible Flu Vaccine Story; Will it Help Save a Life?

I am a mother of 4 wonderful children, one of whom is an 8 year old boy. To say that they are the loves of my life is a pure understatement, as any mother will attest to. The worst thing that can happen to any mother is to lose a child. Does it make it worse knowing that it was due to medical intervention?  I don’t know but it does seem that there is something about being harmed or killed by a medical intervention that makes it even more of a tragedy because maybe it did not have to happen.

My youngest sister has a friend that just lost her 8 year old son, as he had a fatal reaction to the Flu vaccine. Not the Flu itself, but to the vaccine.  Due to this reaction, they ran tests and the family was informed that he had an immune system disorder that may have contributed to his death. The mother was told he may have died in the near future anyway. I don't know if that gives this poor mother any consolation to know that she may have eventually lost her child or even if this was true. To me, having a few days let alone years more with my child, seeing him enjoy his life for whatever length of time he had left, would have been better. Much better.

This flu vaccine; it's a hard decision for any parent/person; I just think we need to get as informed as we can, and not be pressured into doing anything we do not feel comfortable with for ourselves as well as for the people we love.  Certainly every person should have the right to do whatever makes them feel most comfortable once they review the information available on both sides.

Post 1 day later: I wrote the above post originally being told that it was the Swine Flu vaccine, but in fact it was the regular flu vaccine. I just found this out this morning as well as the fact that he did NOT have any rare immune disease. The cause of death was attributed to the flu vaccine and nothing else. The more I learn about what happened to this poor little boy and his family, the more devastated I become.

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Emily Boller - October 13, 2009 6:20 PM

My sincerest sympathies go out to this dear family. There are no words to express the loss of life due to medical carelessness. My heart aches for them in this time of sorrow.

Matias - October 13, 2009 6:53 PM

There was a campaign to erradicate measles, in my city, it was about vaccination, that I avoided.
Want to prevent swine flu? Go for Sun Exposure and Vitamin D.
Vaccines make big pharma more rich. See the big picture.

Kris - October 13, 2009 8:52 PM

I am so sorry for this family's loss. I do have a question: had the boy ever received other vaccines? Had he received the regular flu vaccine? The story seems a bit incomplete without these bits of information. Because otherwise, it doesn't seem specifically relevent to the swine flu vaccine, but to any vaccine he may have received.

Eco Mama - October 13, 2009 9:48 PM

Thank you for sharing.
Eco Mama

Catherine - October 13, 2009 11:43 PM

While I realize that the loss of a child is an incredible horror unfathomable to my young mind, I'm not sure I get the point of this post. I've noticed a general shift in the posts on recently, and I'm not sure I understand. Did the content that was almost entirely informational get redirected? What message are posts like this trying to convey? And, uh, where's Gerald been? If I'm overstepping my bounds with these questions, feel free to say so.

Nancy - October 14, 2009 12:44 AM

I love the site and the book and have pretty much trusted the information given on both.

I'm sorry, but I'm a little skeptical on this one.

I searched the internet and all I see are various rumors about this 8 yr old boy and a flu vaccine. Not a single fact confirmed. One consistent aspect of the rumors is that the boy had a serious underlying medical condition. I have to believe that IF he got a vaccine (and they were only available in the past week, in limited locations), his parent consulted his doctor first. I also believe the death would have been reported in the mainstream media.

While I seriously hope someone did not die from the vaccine, I also hope I can trust the Fuhrmans to check their sources for accuracy. That was one thing that attracted me to ETL.

GingerR - October 14, 2009 11:12 AM

Lisa - first and foremost, thank you for your thoughtful perspective. Vaccines are a complex issue. Just as with ANY medication, we must carefully consider the risks vs. the benefits before taking, or allowing our children to take.

It is *extremely* important that we make our healthcare decisions based on full knowledge. Unfortunately, the info on the risks associated with vaccines is buried and difficult to find. Anyone who may disagree with vaccines is labeled a loon and treated as a heretic. Keep in mind, I am not anti-vaccine. I am simply anti-ignorance, and feel it's important to be an informed consumer of health care. Look at the advice Dr. Furhman gives, and how difficult it is to find a mainstream MD who will counsel his/her pt.s accordingly.

Catherine - Gerald is gone without explanation. I am also sad to see him go, and extremely disappointed in the manner in which the changes in this blog have been handled. While I enjoy the 'how to fit ETL into your life' posts, I am sadly missing the informational and factual posts.

Nancy - I would encourage you to do your homework. Vaccine reactions are not covered by the mainstream media. To count on the mainstream media for unbiased and purely factual information is folly in itself.

In relation to this whole vaccine issue, there is an excellent regarding flu vaccines in particular and the scientific data behind them. Nancy, here is the link for you:

Karlie - October 14, 2009 11:46 AM

I miss Gerry too! I found ETL through this blog (not the other way around), which I read because the information was so interesting. Now, it's just "YAY ETL" and "Don't be weak."
Also, Gerry's tone was light and fun, but now the blog is heavy and preachy.
And I agree that this post is questionable. While a perfectly-fed child might be more flu-resistant, many kids aren't perfectly fed. The risks from H1N1 are unusually high for kids. Many kids have already died from H1N1, so any post recommending against vaccine should account for these facts and explain why you still don't advocate vaccinating a child, rather than just using a scare tactic.

Emily C - October 14, 2009 1:46 PM

The flu vaccine issue is a difficult one. My husband, in response to a flu vaccine, had a reaction known as CIDP, Chronic Idiopathic Demyleniating Polyneuropathy, which has similar symptoms as Multiple Sclerosis.

But my son's two best friends' mothers are nurses who work with Swine Flu patients on a weekly basis. Which risk is the safer? It's almost impossible to know, so I must rely on the scant information I've acquired and intuit the rest.

Dr. Fuhrman - October 14, 2009 3:46 PM

1. Thank for your continual participation here. We will be back posting lots of informative scientific articles in the upcoming weeks, when our new addition Dr. Ferreri joins us shortly.

2. As you may have noted, Gerry is no longer with Disease Proof, for reasons I am sure he would not like to make public, but thankfully we have lots of exciting contributors and many more great things to come.

3. This child in this post was the son of a dear friend of my wife’s sister and certainly this tragedy is real and should be respected.

Sally - October 14, 2009 5:31 PM

With all the confusion and controversy about the flu vaccine I think it still comes down to reading the information that is available to us and making an informed decision with the help of our doctor.In my case I feel very comfortable having declined the vaccine that was offered to me at no cost at the school in which I work because I follow a nutrient rich diet as prescribed by Dr. Fuhrman and can't even remember the last time I was sick!

Steve - October 15, 2009 9:22 AM


I miss Gerry too, but I have no issues at all with the quality of the articles here. Top shelf stuff in my opinion.

I did find Gerry at "diet blog" (using Google News), but that is an unmoderated site, and I just cannot stomach all the swearing and trolling and flaming and just basic immaturity in the viewer comments. I am too old for that!

Regards, Steve

Emily Boller - October 15, 2009 3:48 PM

Lisa Fuhrman: "I wrote the above post originally being told that it was the Swine Flu vaccine, but in fact it was the regular flu vaccine. I just found this out this morning as well as the fact that he did NOT have any rare immune disease. The cause of death was attributed to the flu vaccine and nothing else."

This is all the more reason we need to be well informed with medical decisions and not succumb to the fear of the masses "just because everyone is doing it."

A vaccine potent enough to kill a child? Something is terribly amiss here. It's time to rattle the bushes of complacency. Something very toxic is in this vaccine.

Again, deepest sympathies to this precious family.

Carrie - October 15, 2009 9:50 PM

This is absolutely heartbreaking. Thank you for letting us know about the story. I find it untenable that almost all doctors insist that vaccines are completely safe and should not be questioned. The mandatory vaccination laws that seem to be popping up in many states are scary -- they shouldn't be able to mandate something that they can't prove is safe!

Carrie - October 15, 2009 9:54 PM

To Nancy -- I wanted to mention that many people have already gotten the flu vaccine before the shortages started to occur. Nearly all my friends have already gotten the vaccine for their friends and families, and although the vaccines seems to be in short supply in doctor's offices right now, it is still available at all the pharmacies and clinics in my area.

Joe Fitzpatrick - October 16, 2009 1:24 AM

Lisa, I am so sorry to hear this news. Please pass on my condolences. I am sure you will receive many similar messages from the members' center.

Catherine, this post is *very* on topic. The website is It is about staying free from disease. Vaccines are supposed to help us do that, and if they don't always, then we need to know about it.

Like some other people here, I have experienced a decrease in viral illnesses from following a nutritarian diet. I catch a cold or virus about half as often, and my down-time is much much much shorter. And it does make me wonder how a whole city or state would fare if it lived this way.

But on the other side of it, people are dying from swine flu. My province has a population of three million, and our 8th person died today, and she was apparently healthy. But there are zero statistics in the media about the hazards of taking vaccines.

jennifer - October 16, 2009 9:22 AM

During a discussion with my MD regarding flu/swine flu vaccine, I stated I would decline and proceeded to tell him why (he asked of course). He basically told me he disagreed with the science behind ETL siting genetics played a greater part in how our immune system functions. He basically made me feel like I was a complete idiot. I told him I still hold to my beliefs (look at my blood work! Proof, proof, proof ETL principles work!) and would not receive the shot. Now my work is making it mandatory (hospital based physical therapy)so I think I am trapped if I want to keep my job. The only excuse is for medical reasons, and my concern of future neurotoxic effects isn't doing it. What to do??? Keep eating and exercising I guess.

Debbi - October 20, 2009 9:48 AM

Flu shot - I don't think so, not for me. My son (who is 41)exactly 21 days after getting his flu shot last year went into a coma for 10 awful, frightening days. We were told that if it hadn't been that he was in such good shape, he probably would have died. I don't usually get them and because of this I know I never will.

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